From 3 quarks daily:

Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero’s speech on the occasion of Spain’s passage deep fundamental civil rights legislation for gays, queers, and lesbians:

We are not legislating, honorable members, for people far away and not known by us. We are enlarging the opportunity for happiness to our neighbors, our co-workers, our friends and our families: at the same time we are making a more decent society, because a decent society is one that does not humiliate its members.

What has happened in California is this in rewind.  The very public and directly democratic  roll-back of these rights  has made California’s a more indecent society, one in which citizens of the state have gone out of their way to humiliate fellow neighbors, co-workers, friends and family.  Sullivan on this affront and disappointment.


… gay rights campaigners, who spend tens of millions of dollars fighting to oppose Proposition 8, have vowed not to admit to defeat. A petition to dismiss the measure on the grounds that decision of such importance should be taken by state legislatures rather than voters has already been filed to the Supreme Court.

“We pick ourselves up and trudge on,” said Kate Kendell, executive director of the National Center for Lesbian Rights. “There has been enormous movement in favour of full equality in eight short years. That is the direction this is heading, and if it’s not today or it’s not tomorrow, it will be soon.”


UPDATE IIFrom digby on November 5th –

I keep hearing about how this will right itself in the long run, that it’s just a matter of waiting until this new generation gets old enough and then gay rights will magically be “granted.” I hope that’s true. But to paraphrase a saying that’s been overused lately — in the long run all of today’s gay partners and gay parents will be dead. These soothing tones of “patience” and “don’t worry” don’t mean much when you consider that you only have one life to live.

It’s terrific that we are seeing a decline in racism to the extent that we are able to elect a black president. We’ve come a long way and there’s no taking anything away from those who waged the struggle over all these centuries. But our society is not truly changed if it’s still writing discrimination into law.

It’s as if we just can’t be America unless we are taking active steps to marginalize somebody.

Gay and lesbian marriage ban propositions were also passed in Arizona and Florida.  I guess people had more hope for California, since it is so often in the vanguard of progress.


4 thoughts on “Sad

  1. I think citing California as “the” example is misplaced. California fought this legislation and at this moment I believe, it is still undecided whether Prop 8 passed or failed there.

    There were many other states where similiar legislation passed with a landslide. And don’t forget the millions of dollars of Utah Mormon money that flooded California to support this legislation.

    Give those in California who opposed and fought this legislation the credit they deserve please.

  2. Hey Rick! Great to see you here! 🙂

    It’s my understanding that Prop 8 passed by a pretty wide margin – here’s the result in the LA Times:,0,1293859.htmlstory

    Please let me know if this is incorrect.

    It’s also my understanding that Barack Obama was able to mobilize the African American vote in Califoria and that 70% of them voted “yes” on Prop 8. I still think it’s sad that the majority of voters in California made a decision to exclude one group of people just as they were about to celebrate the coming to fruition of African American political power. Given the impact that those particular voters had on passing the proposition, it would have been REALLY important for Obama to have supported gays and lesbians in this way. I’m not sure that the Mormons were the ones who affected the African American vote.

    But yes, it’s nasty that so many Christians take this position and are able to influence people’s votes with their money – although I’d imagine that the people who voted would say it was for reasons of principle or “values”, and not because their votes were bought.

    I guess I thought that my firm support for LGBTQ people would imply my support for those who opposed Prop 8 and the people who voted against it. Perhaps my comment was too brief.

    I am cursed with the voice of the prophet! lol

    Again, so happy to see you here.

  3. I am really happy to hear that they are fighting on. I am wondering if the people that got married before the Prop 8 passed had the marriages annulled by the decision. If not this makes three classes of people and therefore I don’t see how the court can say it is anything but discriminatory. This is not some building code where you can just grandfather people in.

  4. I don’t think there’s anything they can do to nullify marriages that took place legally. I think this decision will eventually fall and thank heaven for that.

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